that looks pretty close to what i actually see when trying to conform a piece of cloth directly derived from S3's object. JP's were directly taken from S3 character (*.CR2) unfortunately, neither poser nor morph manager seem to work correctly on editing the JPs. i found at least what actually happens, don't know yet what might be the reason: somehow JP values get lost (origin, center of deformation zone, etc.) removing the cloth figure even crashes my windows! (Win98) i find myself far away from a position where i'd like to be, even not being able to actually see what i am supposed to work on. dissatisfying is a weak word for this. any help would be welcome. (yeah i expected some mess but not that amount)