Thank you Karen, That is precisely what I want to do. I didn't think you could do it in P4, but I have P5, just not confident in using it yet, a bit more complex than 4 (bogstd version). I was trying to do it in Postwork, but it didn't look right... I will give it a try, although your offer of the screenie would probly help me too, if you could post it, I'd be most grateful...