You can use it with 3Delight and Poser's RIB export, but that requires that you edit the RIB files by hand. While I did use Poser 4's RIB export to render some of the promo images, it's easier to get results from my shader with D|S. Poser 5 users don't need to put up with RIB exporting or 3Delight, the material room's toon node can create a similar look. -Stefan