yeah, this is basically an animation thing, which I don't do much of, so maybe that's why I never came across it. but for inventing new poses...wow, it's great! I already found the 'tab' key shortcut, shadownet, except I didn't have animation open when I was doing all this, so all it did was take me to the first pose. re the catsuit, I just found the most incredible combination of bump maps and 'blackchromes', and once I get it organised, I'll post the entire circus in one package. believe me, the possiblities are endless!! maclean