I live on this machine.. This will probably make my record of longest render. The current winner's 13 hours, and that was my very first abstract, the one I did in response to Verdie's challenge. Not surprisingly, this one's also an abstract. I think one reason it's taking so long is it's at 1024 x 768 (was gonna be my wallpaper, but I decided I wasn't quite happy with it.. and I thought of something else to make for my desktop) so I'll post a reduced form on the gallery, and if anyone wants it, I'll upload the full-size to my web page. Rosh