well the "C" on the record is actually printed on the record but its not a "C" its just part of the scratchy design of the artwork, and yes prodigy does do firestarter very nice. Well, about the tonearm. I spent like an hour trying to figure out how to put toruses together with cylinders to make it bend and well i didn't get anything from that, since it's like impossible to to make the thicknesses up. What I ended up doing was duplicating the long straight cylinder making about 1 unit in length and placing it the end of the long one. Then using multi-replicate, i made about 40 or so of them with an small offset and a small rotation until i found the right curves. I'll Post a Wireframe later today if a get a chance. Thanks Again for all the comments, didn't think i'd stir up this much talk. Devin Taylor Thinking Allowed Graphics