Finally done! 19:30 hrs. My new record... and that's on an Athlon 800, mind you. As for disabling everything, well, I do that overnight. During the daytime, well, I can't live without my computer.. i.e. i'll just have to deal with the slow render for now. It's usually not that bad. This was just a tough pic. That's all. As for a mac, well, I really, really hate macs. If getting a mac would cut 10% off my render time (which I doubt), I'll do without, thank you very much. (but I don't wanna get into a mac/pc discussion, so we'll drop it there). Rosh