Dreamspinner ... Well they are and I thought he was pretty darn pretty. In this shot he is a little sad and worried so that could be some of it but I tried to make him more feminine/lovely but didn't want to go too far. Also made sure I didn't use much of a bump and upped the ambience to give him a little glow. Kalypso ...I try not to ruin too much of a good thing. And there is more that I have been posting in the Challenge Forum where this started. Glad you like the outfit ... I don't like them that much either but unfortunately I am not a modeler beyond morphs and such ...I was actually going to do something with them in post work. And thanks! I don't really have a site except a gallery that I can't update and one that I can only put in 50k files with little flexibility Shrugs I store most of them on another thing but there is no pages .. Just pictures. http://GhostofMacbeth.3dworlds.org/Gimli.jpg http://GhostofMacbeth.3dworlds.org/Gandalf.jpg http://GhostofMacbeth.3dworlds.org/OrcMontage.jpg http://GhostofMacbeth.3dworlds.org/Tolkien.jpg Here are some of the other ones ... Later and thanks