I know exactly where he's coming from... Open up the "Rounded Cube" and when it pops up in wireframe, it's definitely rotated, but in Attributes, there are 0s across the board in rotate... That IS annoying. Make your own rounded cubes and cylinders if you need em... Not all of them are like this though... But how often do you guys use a "Cube with Bulges" anyway... What the hell is that one??? Cory