Ratteler you also said "its nothing like lightwave" lightwave is an excellent program but the newer versions have went a bit "poser 5" it has some great new features but is a bit clunky. I use version 5.4 of lightwave, the layout program is excellent in that version. In lightwave 7 the layout has some bad changes, the keyframing has been changed and not in a good way. I couldnt even get lightwave 6 to run on my computer so I wont even mention that one...