Try this. Works in directors view only. First delete the ground plane, then turn off underground. Next drag the track ball, to change your angle of view untill the clouds/sky is at the bottom of your view (upsidedown). Then play with different skys. This keep a horizon but makes it apear that your above the cloud plain. You'll get some strange effects with some skys and the sun will apear to be above the horizon with some views, you can play with that also. Have fun! Russ