Just curious, veritas.... does Daz pay you to say this stuff? 'Cause I've heard some homers before, but some of the stuff I've read in this forum is wayyyy beyond 'Gipper speech' cheerleading. What I've seen rendered in D|S is aight. Nothing particularly spectacular, but aight... looks like it's got some pros and cons. Pro - Free base. Con - You're kidding yourself if you think all the professional grade plugins will be $15 and less. Pro - Decent lights, likely on a par with Vue. Con - Save up for the first renderer speed upgrade plugin or make plans to hit the movies while you render. Pro - Lot of adaptibility. Con - At this point, it needs that pro to offset its problems with some systems and vidcards. Pro - Open GL. Con - Open GL speed. All in all, about what I'd expect from an alpha. I'm reserving judgment till it gets a lot more stable.