CD works outside the Cloth room, but I think it checks collisions of normals. Your conforming clothing (which won't pay any attention to Cloth Room settings) has its normals on the "outside", just like the figure, so they aren't "colliding." Collision detection in the Cloth room only works on dynamic cloth. You can actually use BOTH CDs on the same object (handy with dynamic Hair, for which the Hair room CD is the pits). In the Pose room, you can use CD to do things like wrap a hand around a stick. Turn on CD for the hand, its children, and the stick, and then either set CD on (they can't collide) or set Show Intersections and you'll get bright red whenever two CD-flagged polys collide. Mick