well done, storm! you've really taken this way beyond my initial tinkering. just goes to show what amazing things are hidden in the basement of Poser. why doesn't metaC tell us about these things (I assume they do actually know about it) as I said in the other post, someone really needs to do a comprehensive mini-tutorial on this stuff. it's too good to be forgotten. am off to try out your latest addition! WOOOO! maclean