I have never been able to take a community college course in 3d. Since the 1977ish Star Wars film, I was hooked on 3d and was able to get my hands on my first 3d app (bryce 3d) in 1998. I used to lurk here back in the orignial "green" days just after the PFO split. I had no idea what to do with Bryce, but I knew it was a great place to start. Well, I have to thank not only Renderosity but the fine folks here who have put up with my questions, sent me to other sites to read, and all the helpful folks who give away their secrets just for fun. I would know zilch about 3d were it not for these forums to guide me.