thanks for the explaination EnglishBob :) ... It does work since I took a few looks at the picture and the effect is that the wall is coming toward you .. I think if it was a bit more subtle I wouldnt of noticed at all apart from some subliminal tension in the picture .. its a nice effect and one for me to remember .. Thank you :) Barrie. ( I really need to study these camera properties, they seem to be a very essential part of the picture .. in thirds even .. Subject, Lights , Camera. .. hmm or "lights, camera , action" )