Sorry - don't know what came over me! I just re-read my post and it does sound pretty pissy. Seems I both misinterpreted your use of the phrase "new discovery" and under estimated the number of users, both nubies and some old-timers, who were unaware of the potential of Poser's basic animation functions. None the less, my tone was indeed uncalled for. In the words of Roseanne Roseannadana... "nevermind" btw - did you try doing the same stuff using the real controls in the animation drawer? Once you get the hang of them I really do think you'll find them much easier to manipulate than just using the hotkeys. Sheepish Cheers- Nance