Dreamspinner ... Told you he was pretty Winks That is why I was was kinda loathe to make him even more feminine ... I have the flip hair but it seemed a little too hairsprayed for him ...Tried it but it ddn't work that well ... And thanks ... This is just a quickie render without bump maps or half the textures but thanks maclean .. All too true ...especially since I am not a from-scratch modeller ....