Oh, I see....you think ol' mamba would let it go off into WIP ville like all the rest of his stuff eh:) Actually, trees are a bit of a challenge in Poser. This crappy 20 minute wonder (xfrog) is 70,000 polys...no small feat for poser. The original hi res version (over 200 K polys) wouldn't even load into old poser...it got about half and never came back to life...sigh. Trees have been on the back of my mind for a while, and getting both realistic and practically sized ones is something I haven't come up with a solution for. Greenworks (the guys that make XFrog ) sell their CDs that now have Poser readable versions of their models (3ds or obj, I believe) but you would have a hard time using more than one or two in a scene, unless they have done some wonders on the file sizes. If there is enough interest, it might be worth thinking through some more, though. Now that I can actually create posable stuff, that could help with some aspects (just a couple different posable ones to allow the necessary variation....) eric