wonder what this community really is, a community for fractalists or for artists ... if ya say only for fractalists, i have to go to the 2D community, for i do a lot of postwork on my images, combining 2 or more fractals into a design is an artist work, and fractalists uses formula's to produce some sort of a design ... and not everyone has the ability to use a UF or a FE program and has to do something else to get as close to what everyone produces here in these galleries ... so a discussion whether something is a fractal or not is a waste of time, and totally uncalled for ... and besides if ya have spend 24 hours of making a fractal the way you wanted it, and put an extra hour of postprocessing on it, ya have done minimal postwork ... smile