"You do realize that most VFX shots in feature film production were rendered without all these features?" Absolutely. And you realize why they had to fake it? Because it's very expensive when dealing with the slim margin of time they have to get the production completed, which is an issue that might come to pass very soon with the advancement of incredibly fast GI and raytrace engines that are surfacing. HDRI is used often in feature productions to reproduce accurate scene lights and reflections. If you mean to indicate that the Poser application and this Daz program can be used as stand-alone applications for serious film and animation productions, then you must be lost. Sure, their renderers are based on some truly proven solutions, but there are a new generation of renderers out there poised to bring a whole new element of possibility to VFX and animation. Animal Logic, Blur Studios - they all employ Brazil and Vray in their work to some degree, and will probably migrate towards using them even more as the software matures. I'm not knocking PRMan in any way. However, let's not confuse Poser and Daz Studio as being much more than a hobbyists tool, because on their own, as individual applications, they aren't very useful for much more. Unless of course you're a professional illustrator. PS: I'm not knocking anyone for being a professional illustrator, nor a hobbyist. Anything to do with the arts is a worthy endeavor.