wow! just looked at the Mobius figure. it's so cool I don't know if could even begin to compete with it. looks like I missed the boat again! still, I may mess around with the idea. it was really the refl. map thing I'd been doing that put it into my head. maybe there's a way of mapping a P4 fem for a kind of all-purpose chrome look. probably tricky, but worth investigating. I like to try things anyway. never know what they lead to. thanks all. am off to d/l the Mobius. maclean PS never seen any sorayama animals, but I've heard there's a site of his out there somewhere.