Huh? oh yeah those were two of my olt time favorite beachboys songs. Quest, I didn't want to imply or talk politics - I'm as hardboiled as they come there but thats a topic for another forum . I generally feel pretty good about the forums especially Bryce. I wasn't too worried about intellectual property even psps converter which I understand has been around since psp 7 is predated by the work of Dr. John Levine who as far as I know was the first one to make an implimentation of 'whthaveyou including tif to p?m' and back out as another format. rather than emulate his work I started from scratch as this was a hobby project, using only the tiff spec and a minor exploration of the pgm text file. With Agent Smith's help I was able to bring to you all something that I thought would be useful. I originally got the impression that some of those using PSP seemed smug in the fact that they already had this feature and also I got the impression from them that they were saying what was I doing duplicating what was already available to them? To any of them that still feel this way I say ok fine, apparently you have the capacity to do this already, but what about the rest of us? Therre are a few well to do people here but most of us can't afford to buy every application that comes around no matter how good. To the rest of the PSP users I say I'm sorry my frustration with a few restless souls affected you as well. Perhaps I did become overly sensitive about it partially because the project took a lot of my free time, well over 50 hours that I could have put into other things. As simple as it is the source code is over 40 typewritten pages already, and I estimate it will be over three times that large at its end. Any frustration that I feel about it isn't really about me being appreciated. It would take a lot more than a simple utility for that to happen but rather the looking a gift horse in the mouth. "... Although is is only tomato water, I hope you will accept the gift I bring; for although it is only tomato water I bring it to you as a gift in the proper spirit of giving ... " - unknown. Agent Smith, I set it up so it would be expandable. come the middle of the year I might get back to it and really show what this baby'll do with the right algorithms under its hood. One of the things about tiff is it will handle clipping, multible images and "curves". That would take some experimenting with and perhaps it's barking up the wrong tree but there's more to explore there. the tiff processing code needs to be able to handle at least LZW and JPEG compression but these might have to wait for patent expirations (LZW patents expire this year as this is an international forum Japan's (the last international one)patent runs out middle of June.) There are things I'd like to explore in layering, but that would require ps or other to save a tiff as a layered image and I think paint programs intentionally save layers only in native(propriatary) format which is another can of worms. As I said right now I have other things to do but all comes to "He who waits". ... Inshort I guess I blew a fuse - sorry about that, - TJ