LOL--that was a well discussed and used filter with PSP and PS folks and I bought it quite awhile ago. When things are mentioned here or on ngs I frequent, I just check them out--I can't take credit for finding things--just following leads S. Thanks--I decreased the slope on her nose just a bit after I looked at the pics--it looked a bit too 'flat' across the bridge. It was 'play' with the new alienskin Eyecandy filter that was a 'topic' yesterday here and in 2D forum. diane