I'm sort of new here, so I'm relatively unexposed to this controversy of idealogues. For myself, I consider Bryce, Poser, Vue, whatever, the beginning of the image. Sure it may take Bryce a day or so to render, but that's the beginning of the work for me. I often will render 2 or three different aspects of the image and composite them, then work on them from there. As a matter of fact, the whole concept of "post-work" is odd to me, since I usually consider the renderings "pre-work." Sometimes I'll render an image that I'm happy with or I'm too lazy to goof with, but that's rare. Heck, I even fool around with the WIPs. Face it: Bryce, Poser and other 3D programs are great, but they just don't do what you want them to do sometimes. Can't limit yourself to the limitations of software. "Pure" Bryce is great if it's what you want, but don't let that stop your creativity! My 2 cents worth, anyway