Well all I'll say is that if you feel that this forum can no longer help you in anyway then it is probably time to move on. I have so much further to go that I will probably be here for years. I hardly ever post to the gallery. I'm much more into learning from those here who generously share their techniques. I'm also on dialup so I hardly ever get to the galleries and hot 20 etc. I look forward more to seeing the wips and tips in this forum than anything else. Its always sad to hear someone saying goodbye and it would be nice if you'd have a change of heart. Maybe just leave the galleries and other forums for a time. Just hang in here with us nuts ;) Ok thats all of my 2 cents.