'Users often want to do things you haven't thought of yourself' Heh heh, ajax. That's exactly why I don't like removing dials. There's always somebody out there who's going to want to use the dials. And if they have to copy them from another cr2, they're likely to get a bit hacked off ('scuse the pun). All in all, I think it's better to leave them visible and set limits to disable them. mac