1.) I'm a poser newbie. Have been for over five years. I take umbrage at the condescension of Veritas, and if there are issues with that umbrage, then please, by all means, call me out in a separate thread and I will come to do battle. Being beaten into submission by a girl might be fun, too... 2.) D|S will not replace Poser. Doing so would require the merger of DAZ and CL, with The new company formed deciding on the further development of D|S over Poser. It may do so on the computers of people whose efforts to produce work they like have been so frustrated that anything would be better. That this is a sign of their unwillingness to learn and adapt and overcome is a point for other debate. 3.) D|S will not succeed well initially if they do not effectively support 3rd party products currently int he market. This is analogous to the condition of the Poser world between Poser 3 and Poser 4, which opened up the effective market to what it is today. 4.)Poser would be doing much better if development of it had not been utterly stopped for three years. IT would also be doing a lot better if folks didn't seem to think that their options for inclusion are better than the ones CL actually did. 5.) D|S will be slammed thoroughly in the same way that Poser 5 is. For the same reason: expectations that are excessive on the part of members of the community. Neither program is 3DS Max. They are not modelling packages, they are charactr animation and presentaiton packages -- as noted earlier, the mid point between 3d clip art and full blown modelling apps. 6.) Both are entry level applications. Entry level applications are not bad. Without entry level applications, there would be no discussion at this moment. 7.) DAZ has never, ever said that D|S would be free. They said the BETA would be free. 8.)D|S will, in version 1, be better than Poser 4, and likely equivalent to Poser 5. They have a robust community, a very well known set of desires and abilities (also known as working goals), and a great team of interested folks working on it. Verion 2 and Poser 7 will decide the fates of the two programs, not Poser 6 and Version 1. 9.) Discussion of what it "will soon do" does no good to those of us who do not wish to experience the unique pleasures of alpha testing. What needs to be discussed is "what it does do". At this moment, since the bulk of my content is 3rd party or self developed, what is does do is screw up my figures. It renders them pretty nice, though. It is not odd to me that it supports most DAZ figures -- I expect it to support them without fail or issue -- but if it does not support 3rd party content, then it's value to me is none (And I was more excited about it thatn Veritas long, long ago -- an affordable option? Gee, now there's an idea!) 10.) The D|S vs Poser flames will be going for a mighty long time. Since all I want is something that lets me keep having fun, this should aid in my humor...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)