MND products are some of the best and most reliable in the marketplace. They produce Top Quality. Poser 5 on the other hand has some major problems. I also have this same product and have used it many times. I have done a render on Poser5 with the Firefly Render and 1 in Poser5 with the Poser 4 render. You will see this is a Poser5 issue not a geometry issue. I am glad laurieannp1 that you figured this out. cheerio lululee