hmm i reedited them in anotehr reply after wards, and saying you answered some with your other pictures/explanations, but there were still some unclear to me. plus i asked more (yes, greedy student i am) in the course of this spotlight class replies/messages 59 and 62 of this class here... (wont quote/rewrite them, it is just above :) mr eep is mister geep when my fingers ahce me and i have hard time typing correctly at the kayboard (old one was trashed, bought a new one but strokes are much harder...)