I can, but this is renderosity, where things tend to get blown WAAAAAYYYY out of proportion to their importance, and it's information tha the creators of the product might want to have for themselves before some crazy, inconsiderate wretch such as myself goes off on a blab. ;) I will say this much: Poser 4's render is very different in structure and nature from Firefly. It, essentially, "cleans up" what's in the preview and applies a few things to it. It's a good renderer, and will be for quite some time. Firefly might not be Mental Ray, but it is a much, much more advanced rendering system than Poser 4's, and utilizes a lot more of the information inherent in a scene to render -- displacement, for example, is really cool once you get the hang of it, as it actually changes the surface of the mesh, instead of "faking it" with shadows like bump maps. It can operate on the level of individual facets (polygons), which P4 cannot. The catch is that you have to learn a whole new, and much more, um, complex, system to really get a lot out of it. Well, that and spend a lot more money! Kinda hard to test in P5 when ya ain't got it...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)