OK. I'll go ahead and finish this, although it may be a while (have to go to Greece tomorrow for a week) Does anyone know anything about making whiskers? I could maybe do it in 3D Max, but I don't have much experience. Ironbear..will include the Photoshop file, so it can be put on any texture map and if you come up with anything, post me I think my problem is the new computer, a 2 x 550Mhz celeron running Windows 2000. still haven't got it under control. oh, well... maclean