Lyrra, In case you were wondering what I was doing with him.... Dan Farr is a handsome man, with great bones, but his features are really hard to disguise. This is getting there. Gandalf doesn't yet look thousands of years old. I need to figure out a way to get the cheek grooves deeper without being sharp and add a few more bags under the eyes. I'm also going to have to figure out how to get properly bushy eyebrows. This has no texture, just bump and transmaps, because I'm trying to sculpt the shape rather than paint it, if that makes any sense. No postwork (many days to go before it gets to that stage). Carolly