Fido13... thanks for the answer, not knowing anything about renderers, I had no idea that they were that specific. Khai ... I have TS 5 and PS 7, and to be honest, I could never get past those tiny little icons in TS. Too many and too hard to see, at my age anyway. As for PS, yep, it has plenty of icons as well but I find it much easier to navigate PS because of the size of the icons as well as the fact that everything can be docked. The workflow in PS makes better since to me as well. I just plain could not get the hang of TS, I really wanted to, but just could not manage it. :) If there has been one constant complaint about TS, that I have heard, it is about the interface. I really wish they would change the interface, if they did, I would consider upgrading. As it is now, TS sits on the shelf. :(