Thanks Steve. I'm pretty sure 3DS Max 5 has a twist deformer. I just downloaded 3DS Max 6 30 day trial version. It's really cool as to it's new features. I'll have to see what I can do with it. I have been reading the pdf file as to it's new features. Hmmm did not think of getting the cable to bend tho. Prob have to add some kind of morph target to it. Uh perhaps 2 morph targets. The first to move the cable in and, out of the exercise machine itself (lifting and lowering a weight), and controling some how the second morph which would bend the cable as it runs around the pulleys of the machine. God I'm geting way to technical here. LOL. I think there is a tutoral somewhere on uh a extended morph control. Had something to do about when you moved a characters arm the bicep muscle would flex or, something to that effect. I'll prob be up all night trying to figure this out. Brad.