Harrison2 (Ron Pelley) pelley@nf.sympatico.ca www.wheres.com/etc/Harrison2 Well talk about bad press..... I downloaded the new patch and was about to install it when I started to read the messages in the Bryce Forum at Renderosity.I never will install it now, because I hold the opinions of the users at this forum in high regard.The word is out Corel. You will have to do much better to gain our support. By the way, thanks to all of you for tipping me off............Regards,H2