re. the boid - I have a problem with where it's situated in the image - it's directly in line over the house. wonder how the pic would work if the pov was moved so the house was slightly out of the frame at the left, so the picture didn't look quite so complete and enclosed? The composition seems a bit stiff, might be interesting to make it a bit more 'tunnel-ish' Re the pond-edge, I was searching back through the messages yesterday, and bookmarked this thread http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=107&Form.ShowMessage=1625181 because it looked so useful :)