Elizabyte, Kendra, Xenophonz, Caly, Soulhuntre, Xococo... xocono... xoknocko... xicona... whatever g You there with the "x" and all the consonants - you know who you are ;]p~~~ It's not going to change. You're wasting typos that could be better spent elsewhere. [Although from the looks of this thread, we're not running out of typos anytime soon. Especially in the admin posts.] They're not listening. Look how many posts have gone by without input or "discussion" from an admin or mod. Hell... Spork hasn't been back since he posted the notice. It's not going to change. They're going to do what they're going to do, and the pretense of community input and involvement is just a nifty way to wank you guys off so you'll think something constructive is happening. Tim doesn't give a flying rats ass what the members think as long as you don't do it too loudly and drive off customers. Tammy might actually give a rats, but it disagrees with her preconceptions of how you should think, so it's disregarded. What Sixus1 and Lyrra thinks doesn't matter, because they're "disrupting things" under the "competing sites" clause that's in the TOS in invisible ink, so they can be discounted. The Moderators - some of them - might give a damn, but Kbennet's on extended burnout and not around to argue for you, and Shoshanna is new and probably uncomfortable with bucking the Staff. And Spike... hey, Spike's Tim's hired gunsel, only not as effective as the former one. And he's the one that posted the Bill. ;] The Hall Monitors er... Co-Ordinators don't care because ya'll being argumentative and pitching chocks in the wheels gets in the way of their ego gratification for wandering around and "watching" discussions and stomping out dissent. They can't get gold stars on their caps if you snicker at them and tell them they're full of bullshit. A lot of the members don't care, because a lot of people actually like the Dinseyosity atmosphere. Its unthreatening. They don't have to deal with people like me or Legume, who might be perfectly reasonable and helpful most of the time... but who aren't above calling a fuckwit a fuckwit when it quacks like one. That's uncomfortable... and people like ya'll are abrasive and you're unsettling too, because you're asking questions and bucking the mods and upsetting the Lovefest. Stop that. snicker A lot of the merchants aren't going to buck the flow because it'd get in the way of their grabbing a slice of the gravy train - principles are nice, but you can spend money. This crap's been going on for over three years now: a staff member makes an "announcement", asks for "input" from the members, maybe they take a "community vote"............... and nothing changes. It's all whitewash: they go ahead and do what they were going to anyway. Afterall... they know they can always replace members like you with members who won't bitch as much. And they do. How many people really miss Legume? How many just went "Who?" grin Ditto for merchants: they can replace the Wyrmmaster's and Billy-T's if it comes down to it with 50 new merchants who won't individually earn them as much, but in aggregate they can skim more in the exchange. You won't get any answers. You won't get any changes. You won't inspire new policies. They're going to go on interpreting the TOS as they please, enforcing bullshit rules that aren't in the TOS [Like the competing sites thing: ask Clint on that one] when it's convenient, and generally go on managing things with a roadmap and a flashlight trying to find their collective asses.... Because they can and because so far it's working. And ya wanna know the neat thing? ;] There's no victims here, there's only volunteers. Renderosity's the way it is - a saccharinne sewer waiting for the chain to be pulled - because everyone involved made it this way and everyone else keeps coming and spending their cash hoping that some day it'll change. Long as ya'll keep coming back - as long as we all keep coming back - and as long as money continues to go into Tim's Bahama's fund, it's going to stay the same. Why not? Ya'll keep demonstrating you'll continue to volunteer for it. No matter what they do or don't do. Give it up. Wander by 3-D Arena and I'll put up virtual beers on the house... I got the best seat in the community for watching the upcoming flush. ;]

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• Monkeysmell