thanx again guys... hey rick, if you havent tried the patch 4.1 from corel, give it a try...it may work on your system as it does on caligula's. mac users are indeed having the least amount of problems, but the ones they are having are big, bad, and sometimes making it impossible to have the upgrade. I knew about the mem setback in mac (but I had forgotten) thanx for reminding me caligula. looking forward to more input (good and bad) and hopefully some offers to beta test from many of you thanx Brycetech