Flak, I think between what you've just said and what sambucus and Rochr said earlier lies what I feel may be a resolve I can live with. How I go about modeling is more a matter of time,energy,mood and ability than it is about any feeling that an image needs to be pure. Freebees are a crutch to help express what should be a feeling or story in graphic form. Time and talent allowing, we shouldn't use them; but on the way to that goal of accomplisment how can we deny what a picture says and how it says it just because freebees are used? On the other hand; overuse and dependancy on them should, by all means, be avoided. -TJ