And BTW, I mostly use use my own stuff in my images, I enjoy modeling and making textures, and in the case of the models for my abstracts, I enjoy the weird quirks that an unstable app can produce. The funny thing is, when I first started I downloaded just about every freebie I could get my hands on, all kinds of stuff (3GB worth), but when I really started using Bryce seriously, I did my own, I've used maybe one tenth of one percent of the freebies I have, and a few mats here and there, until I learned the DTE, now even the freebie mats sit idle, cause I LOVE doing stuff in the DTE. But, as I stated, they are only another tool, the final picture is what counts....

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