I followed an ebot staight to this page. I'm looking at what seems to be an animated Victoria's Secret ad right now. It's something called a Banner, and it appears on all forum pages, including the internal threads. Does it offend my sense of prudery? Take a look at my Renderotica gallery and call me a prude. Is it a personal hassle? Not really, as my browser is fully capable of diverting banner ads or all graphics entirely. My point is a simple one, so simple I don't seem to be able to state it clearly enough to be understood. The problem is one of appearances. Like Caeser's wife, what we face is not a problem of our behavior, but a problem of what we appear to be doing. We all know the amused and horrified reaction of friends and relatives the first time they catch someone starting a new Poser image. "But he's nakie...!" Well, hell, every time I do a pencil drawing I start with a nude figure, and for similar technical reasons. We all understand that. But our audience does not, not without education. Like manga or anime....how many people, particularly of a certain generation, heard "oh, those pornographic comic books they read in Japan" and never dared to find out for themselves? How many thought of anime as "that tentacle stuff" and thus deprived their children of "Totoro" or "Kiki?" There is nothing so wrong with the barbies. But are they to be our most visible spokewomen? Are we, then, ASHAMED of what we do with NURBS, the scripting in POV-ray, the recreation of medieval houses, the construction of elaborate imaginary landscapes, the simple delights of pulling polys, the stop-watch and Muybridge efforts of animators? If we are not ashamed of these other aspects of 3D, then why are they hiding behind the pouting vickies and the lace garters? Why are the barbies the most visible aspect of our trade? Well, I know why. Market forces and technical issues. Those aren't gonna change. All we can ask, tho, is to try to have a little class. Recognize that there are going to be sexy ads. Recognize that a lot of people, myself included, are delighting in creating images that might have offended Strom Thurman. Recognize, though, that we serve a larger base than one single interest group or cultural background. So let's try to get some class here. Let's at least look like the cover of Vogue, and not the cover of Hustler.