just a reminder that now is the ideal time (fresh install) to figure out some multiple runtime system. I guess you could install your poser 4 runtime as one of your multiple poser 5 runtimes (if you are having poser 4 and 5 together) but saving a cr2 from poser 5 into the poser 4 runtime may cause problems in poser 4 if you try and load it. Barrie.