OK. Thanks all for the tips. I also have some threads I saved about multiple runtimes (plus a ton of other stuff) which I need to check. Now I have both updaters, I can do the full monty. Once I figure out my runtimes, that is. I don't plan on using P5 that much. I just need it to check all my products work correctly in it, as I build them. Maybe I'll make a limited runtime for products only. mac