Kate, Sorry to hear that, but you know, since you have Vue d 'Esprit, you really need not worry about Bryce anyway, because I can tell you that I have yet to be able to do anything in Bryce that I cant' do better, more easily, and quicker with Vue. That's not to knock Bryce, though... I don't know why you can't make a decent picture with it, because even I managed to eventually get something going. I liked it enough that I even got the full version since I started this thread, but I have to admit, I prefer Vue by far. I know what you mean about TS! LOL I had that demo and had to say the hell with it. I didn't have the slightest idea what I was doing, and never managed to do anything with it. Well, I take that back... I un-installed it with the UTMOST of sucess! LOL Cheers, Mike