Sorry, got carried away trying to learn some things in UVMapper and then loaded some clothing for the male and female that I had burned on CD. Thanks, I'm going to download that file. I was really thrown because the mesh was a mangled mess but when I ran it through UVMapper I got a great template out of the obj. The template looks better for painting. I will say for all, we appreciate your efforts and thanks SO much for doing the male!!!!! Liz Pope Dreamspinner Inc.