Red God I'd also be pretty pissy if someone did an unwarranted redirect to prove a point outside a techie forum - Good stunt, excellent DHTML, 10 out of 10 for style - but the beef was between _Audrey and Rendo, not with me and my browser - and bar the Gestaposity stuff, I have no issues with PP. As for people having the reactions they do - I find it hard to take any of this too, too seriously; It seems some mistake fits of pique for rebellion and generic forum weaseling for constructive dialogue. Also keep in mind that saying I am against the above, does not mean I am in favour of how a lot of things are handled here. And finally - does it mean that if people kiss Anton's ass, they will become instant Poser Gods ? That can't be all bad, I bet he can tell them the difference between lock layer, clone, and heal in Photoshop ;-) ~S