"I don't know the reason but that browser re-direction stunt won't earn alot of sympathy. No, look over at Poser Pros and 3-Darena. It already did. " uhm - no it didn't. It got a mention at 3-darena.com - it didn't get "sympathy". Frankly I think it was tacky. quote Migal: "Would you choose unfulfilled threats of being forced to pay back the customers and/or the infringed merchant, or would you prefer to watch a lengthy discussion on your ethics between Legume, Demosthenes, Ironbear, Questor, Spinner, Cyberstretch and PJF? The very same individuals who practice the arts of hypocrisy and baiting here are terrified of those nyms, because whether we want to admit it or not, they are the merchants of fairness. Yet, this is the second Catch-22: Their strong sense of justice causes them to speak out when the store itself does something that appears to be inequitable to the merchants and/or gallery artists." Since 4 of the 7 you mention are staff/mods at 3-D Arena (SnowS - I was lef tout to EG) I can vouch for that because believe me if any of them thought I was instituting an unfair or assinine rule/action they would have no problem telling me - even in the public forums. Yes, I do actually listen to them. SnowS - Caly is right - people go to "where" they are allowed to voice their opinions, it is human nature to need a place to complain or sound off. C&D and the old Bar here were good for that. Equally people need to go where they feel that their opinions matter and will be given weight. Asking for feedback and ignoring it simply doesn't garner feelings that they make a difference. Yes, I admit there is complaining about renderosity - and many other things (including gun control, political decisions, war, bad art etc.) at 3-D Arena, but we keep it contained in the Bar and mostly in Ironbear's RFI - but then again that is what RFI did when it was here for years.

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