Ah well if it's in response to that then I apologise for my accusation. Poser 5 might be ProPack with toys bolted on but it is sufficiently different to make it different. Cloth, hair, materials all are hugely different to propack or poser 4 (or Poser Artist as they're now calling it). I admit I may have misjudged here but it just struck me as a bit odd, I've seen a number of posts from biggert all of which carry much the same theme. If he's just responding to "P5 is no better than P4" fine, I withdraw, except that honestly, P5 isn't much better than P4 except if it's the "only" app you can have - and assuming you're lucky to have a computer it likes. :)