In contrast, micropolygon rendering is widely used in feature film production with Pixar's PRMan Yes I know that, but Firefly and Poser 5 doesn't tie in very well with that so the comparison isn't entirely valid. Poser 5 just doesn't fit in with a movie production pipeline - because the tools it offers are already present in that pipeline. So we're both off track here as it would be aimed primarily at a different market. Or in other words, not offering much that can't be achieved with other apps, and better in ZBrush anyway. :) Games engines, yes there is there are two but please don't ask me which ones because I can't remember. Read about them in 3DWorldMag recently if that means anything. Target audience. It was my impression following comments made by Curious Labs staff that Poser 5 was intended to break them into the pro-level market. Yet they went out of their way to shoot themselves in the head for that (lack of plugin support). So I'm not entirely certain what their target audience is intended as. For home user and amateur users it's probably ideal - if you're lucky to have a computer it likes. For mid range to pro/am it's useful, for pro-level it's "almost" useless. Don't get me wrong Stewer I'm not trying to make out that Poser is a pile of crap that should be shuffled off and hurled into the sun. I use it a lot myself because of it's "simple" nature and the ready made human models. It would take me months to bone just one of those for cinema and I don't "want" to spend that much time doing it. None of what I do earns me money so it would be time wasted from having fun. I just don't honestly see it as a solution, except for people who have no intention of ever using anything else. Nothing wrong with that purpose, there's some great images around from people who just play about with Poser, but it's not "enough" if you catch my drift.